Jay Reeve talks to Ben Harper
A long-time Ben Harper listener, our columnist Jay Reeve (along with his radio co-host Duncan Heyde) relives his youth and talks to his teen idol during the musician’s recent New Zealand tour that included a gig at the Mount.
I’m a Ben Harper fan – have been since his first album, Welcome to the Cruel World. In my early teens, I used to recreate his cover art in the misguided hope it’d impress the masses of girls enamoured by this guitar-playing, bohemian, skateboarding world traveller.
In 1994, Welcome to the Cruel World struck a chord with me, and Ben still has that swagger he rolled with back then – although he’s arguably better looking – and still has the effect on the fairer sex; the 17-year-old girls I was trying to impress back in the day were reliving their own dreams during his recent appearances in Aotearoa. His male fans were too, causing a veritable babysitter shortage on the night of his Mount gig.
The crowd was older, but music drops a veil over your tired adult eyes and transports you to wherever you first heard it or it affected you. I love that, I love the way Ben’s music transcends age and I love seeing people enjoying themselves. The one thing I don’t love, though, is ‘Steal My Kisses’. I understand it’s one of Ben’s most commercially successful singles, peaking in the top 20 on the Billboard charts on its release in early 2000. It garnered him more fans and the record label wanted more, so the division was set: you were a ‘Steal my Kisses’ kind of Ben Harper fan or not.
I’m not. To me, unlike his gig-closing tune ‘Glory & Consequence’, it’s not a great song and not one worthy of rolling out 20 years later. But the crowds of predominantly 40-something women at his recent show – those ’90s teens – loved it.
While he was in New Zealand, my The Rock radio show co-host Duncan Heyde and I had a chat to the man himself about what he loves...
Duncan: Welcome mate!
Ben: Well-equipped with a cheering section and everything. How’s it going, Jay and Duncan?
Jay: Oh good, mate. Kia ora, kia ora, kia ora and welcome back to our fine shores – we’re looking forward to having you. So, your biggest musical inspiration came around the age of nine… We heard a cheeky rumour you played your first gig at 12?
B: Well, you wouldn’t call it much of a gig when you’re just hammering out some chords. At 12 I was actually on the drums, because I started on the drums.
D: Isn’t there a funny story about one of your first open mic nights that you got paid for? At a church?
B: The first gig I ever got paid for was in the church basement, and at the end of the night the guy who ran it handed me $50 in the parking lot. I said, “What’s this?” and he said it was for the door. And you know churches have those fancy doors on them with stained glass and stuff, so I said, “No, no, no you can’t sell the door to pay me, that’s crazy! Go find it, go get it back.” And he said, “No, no, no, that’s the money from people who walk through the door”!
D: And you’re like, “Oh wow, I can get paid for doing something I love!”
J: You’ve had 28 years of commercial success and worked with so many different musicians – who’s still on the hit list for you of musicians you’d love to work with?
B: Alicia Keys.
D: Oh, that’d be good!
B: Yeah man.
D: Isn’t it just as simple these days as sliding into their DMs, sending them an Instagram message like, “Righto mate, I’ve got a couple of months spare coming up, let’s do this”?
B: You’d think so, right?! I stopped drinking, though. If I was still drinking I’d probably have the nerve to do that.
D: She’s hardly going to say no to you, though? That’s a fun message for her to read in her inbox, isn’t it?
B: But what if she did?!
J: You hold a special place in a lot of New Zealanders’ hearts and I can only assume that New Zealand holds a fairly special place in yours. When was the last time pre this tour that you set down in Aotearoa?
B: It’s been about four since we’ve been here, and as far as I’m concerned that’s four years too long. Every time I’m here I’m thinking, ‘I just need to send for all my sh*t and stay right here’. It’s on me, man, it’s on me everywhere – my back, my arms, my entire upper torso is here.
D: You’ve actually spent quite a bit of time here. We heard you owned a house here, we heard [musician] Jack Johnson owned a house here, we knew that [musician] Serj Tankian owned a house here... And weirdly, as Kiwis, we kind of just let celebrities do their thing when they’re in New Zealand, but we also like to think that you all go round to each other’s holiday houses for barbecues and play tunes together.
J: And go surfing!
D: Has that ever happened?
B: Oh yeah, that happens plenty with Jack and I. Jack and I are always getting together and looking for reasons to record together. In fact, we’re talking about doing a duet record.
D: That’d be sick!
J: I know that you’ve made your political ambitions heard and that you’re thinking about throwing your name in the hat for the United States of America presidency. I heard that you’re running on surfboards and steel guitars for everybody and then putting a [skate] bowl in at the White House. How’s that progressing? Would Jack be a running mate of yours?
B: Yeah, Jack or [retired professional skateboarder] Tony Hawk, I suppose!
J: You’ve got a couple of days spare while you’re here. It’s a very tight tour schedule, but you’ve got a little bit of a gap in the middle between your gigs in Queenstown and Auckland. Have you got any plans to check out some waves or skate parks while you’re here? What do you do in your downtime in New Zealand?
B: Yeah, skate parks. That’s it – concrete, finding as much concrete as possible. When I get off the phone with you, there’s a local coffee shop here in New Plymouth that supposedly has a bowl in the coffee shop, so that’s getting hit up right now.